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Topic: Brass eyed off
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laz Monkey
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posted 07-30-2001 12:48 PM
Controversy on British TV, sorry very long post... quote: It was C4's most vetted programme. So how did it attract a record number of complaints? By Louise Jury, Media Correspondent 30 July 2001Whatever accusations may be levelled against Channel 4, nobody can claim that its controversial Brass Eye satire on paedophilia slipped into the schedules unnoticed. For a half-hour comedy, it was placed under an extraordinary degree of scrutiny. Executives all the way to the top level of Michael Jackson, the chief executive, and Vanni Treves, the chairman of the board, were involved in talks about the show that they knew had the potential to offend. When the schoolgirl Danielle Jones went missing, the sensitivities of that case contributed to a decision to delay transmission earlier this month. But after viewing a rough cut of the programme shortly before it was broadcast last week, both men gave their backing which they continue to give. They always knew that there were two factors that made trouble likely. First, the track record of the programme's creator, Chris Morris, a reclusive writer regarded variously as a comic genius and an amoral offender of all mankind. Second, the subject, a matter that could scarcely be more contentious with the general public. But no one, perhaps, could have predicted the level of outrage. The Independent Television Commission (ITC) has never received as many complaints about a broadcast in its 11-year history and a further 2,500 people have complained to the channel itself. The decision to screen the programme has put Channel 4 on a collision course with Tessa Jowell, the Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport, who has demanded to see its executives and wants to know why it was made and, more significantly, why it was repeated on Friday despite the offence caused. She also wants to see the ITC itself to discover whether it needs greater powers to intervene. The new show was commissioned by Caroline Leddy, Channel 4's head of comedy, from Talkback, the independent production company formerly owned by Mel Smith and Griff Rhys Jones, which made the original Brass Eye. She was closely involved in the filming and lawyers were consulted at every stage. But, knowing the risk of offence, she also discussed the programme with Tim Gardam, the director of programmes, who referred it upwards. Their caution was understandable. Written and presented by Morris, the show purported to be a serious investigation into paedophilia. Yet the gravity of the subject was unnervingly undermined by scenes including Morris as a rapper who sings about being abused by his father with a model of a child strapped to his body as if they were having sex. In another scene, Morris described sex between an adult and a child as film was shown of a man and woman writhing in bed. The show also persuaded a number of famous people to take part by lending their names to specious campaigns highlighting the dangers of child abuse. Some of these stars have been most vocal in their disapproval, although the programme may have highlighted their gullibility as much as it satirised paedophilia. Phil Collins said he believed the film was to be sent into schools to help educate children. "I did this in good faith for the public benefit," he said. Yet it is hard to understand why some of the participants did not think twice about what they were being asked to do. Collins wore a T-shirt emblazoned with the words "Nonce Sense" to warn children against paedophiles. "I'm talking Nonce Sense," he said, a statement that should have rung danger bells. Dr Fox, the DJ, joined in with an extraordinary claim that, genetically, paedophiles have more in common with crustaceans than with humans. Kate Thornton, the pop presenter, told viewers about an internet system, HOECS pronounced "hoax". Richard Blackwood, the comedian who recorded an item that claimed paedophiles' hands caused toxic vapours to raise from their computer keyboards, said afterwards: "If you think that kiddie porn is funny, then you should have a good laugh." In the wake of the growing disapproval,the board and senior management of Channel 4 issued a statement yesterday. "The channel stands by its decision to commission and broadcast this programme, which, through savage satire, sought to make a serious point," it said. "Chris Morris was not making light of paedophilia; his target was the dangerous sensationalism and exploitation that can characterise media coverage of the issue." The programme was scheduled and repeated late at night and was clearly labelled as likely to disturb some viewers, a spokesman added. Morris, meanwhile, was on holiday yesterday with his family. As always, it was said he had nothing to add to the points made in his programme. The ITC, which has no powers to preview a programme before transmission, is now investigating the show. Tessa Jowell appears as cross with the regulator as with Channel 4, although the ITC believes it is limited by the 1990 Broadcasting Act in what it can do. If the commission applies a hasty sanction which could include a fine or even, in extreme cases, the revoking of a broadcaster's licence a broadcaster can apply for judicial review. Channel 4, meanwhile, remains undeterred by the furore. "We have noted the comments of government ministers," a spokesman said yesterday. "It is part of the channel's remit to ask hard questions about the way society and the media deal with its most difficult problems."
I saw this programme and although I'm not easily offended at all I turned it off after 10 mins. Should we be pushing back the boundaries of what is acceptable or should there be censorship on tv. This programme made me very uncomfortable but should things like this be banned do you think? |
FatJohnny ZooKeeper
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posted 07-30-2001 12:56 PM
Now, I do not offend easily. I tend to offend others easily, but I consider very little taboo. But I am torn on this one.On one hand some of the stuff seems funny as hell, on the other hand, it does seem to be unintentionally taking away from the gravity of the subject matter. I have to say, let them air it. It seems like their ideas were in the right place, it's just that their execution was a little off.
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Jonny Rocket KingPin of the Monkey Farm
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posted 07-30-2001 01:11 PM
If it is not funny, censor it. I think it was Alan Alda that said ‘if it bends it is funny, if it breaks it not funny.’ I think this may have broke. |
laz Monkey
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posted 07-30-2001 01:27 PM
A friend of mine thinks it was fantastic that so much controversy has been caused. Its testing how far you can take things before they get stamped down on.I on the other hand am not convinced. The story has made headline news on TV and in the papers. What I saw didn't make me laugh and paedophillia is a very dodgy subject to tackle. A girl who had been molested as a child sat on a couch next to her sister who was speaking on behalf of her dressed as a troll. Then the girl started communicating in the only way she knew how by taking her top off and touching her breasts. Somehow it seemed kinda wrong so I switched it off. I just can't make up my mind if it should have been shown or not. I can see arguments for both sides. It's just if this gets banned it will set new precedents, which aren't always a good thing. I wish you could have seen it but you live in the wrong countries damnit! |
manic_224 ZooKeeper
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posted 07-30-2001 02:03 PM
It was a teeny weeny bit distasteful and I suppose I can understand that there was a bit of uproar about it. But I mean, if you don't want to watch turn the fuck over. I don't understand why people watch and then complain, rather than just not watching. I suppose if someone saw it though, who had been affected by paedophilia it was a harsh thing to watch and I suppose it's not really something that most people would care to laugh about. |
Lotus666 ZooKeeper
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posted 07-30-2001 07:25 PM
Before I left the UK, I had the chance to see "BRASS EYE". Some very funny (very controversial) stuff. Wish I had been able to see this one because it is a matter close to my own heart...and I have issues with this subject. I laugh at most things (have a very balck sense of humour)...but, as FJ said...sometimes the "execution is a little off". |
catapault007 Monkey
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posted 07-30-2001 08:07 PM
How ironic that one of the executives that gave the go-ahead for this program is named Michael Jackson. |
Case B Monkey
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posted 07-31-2001 04:46 AM
Personally, I think I would have needed to see the episode (and to know the background of the show) to consider whether the humor was tasteless or not. Overall, I think pedophilia is just one of those topics that really can't be considered humorous, even if it is black humor (has anyone seen "Happiness"?). But then, this is the age where nothing's sacred. I'm just surprised regular ol' rape hasn't been a subject of comedy (that I know of). I guess that's the last 'untouchable subject' though I doubt it will be for long.
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Lotus666 ZooKeeper
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posted 07-31-2001 05:05 AM
Case B..."A CLOCKWORK ORANGE" (RAPE) |
Case B Monkey
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posted 07-31-2001 05:24 AM
True, but that was more satire-ish, and was part of Kubrick's attempt to show a desensitized future. I mean the kind of humor that is supposed to be portraying contemporary ideals, and (like this show sounds) make controversial ideas seem less heavy and easier to poke fun at. Kind of like everything one sees on South Park, where its something you're not exactly disturbed or offended by because of the fact its nearly become a stereotype. But then, South Park is also a crudely animated cartoon, so anything on it can be put in the realm of suspended disbelief. There have been episodes that dealt with pedophilia (like the one where the kindergarten teacher who's gay is upset at not being molested as a child, so he asks his dad to molest him. Its funny not because of the subject matter, but because of the patheticness of wanting to be cliche') But still, you don't see an actual 'live-action' comedy sketch show where say, a woman is getting date-raped and its supposed to be funny. Or where a woman's rape testimonial is hard to hear over the sound of people doing it in the next room. See, its still pretty untouchable. Oh yeah, abortion is another one. [This message has been edited by Case B (edited 07-31-2001).] |
Case B Monkey
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posted 07-31-2001 05:30 AM
by the way, pedophilia, abortion, rape, and any other issue dealing with intentionally harming someone else just isn't funny to me.Unless, as I said, used as a means to poke fun at some other idea, and in the right context. |
FatJohnny ZooKeeper
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posted 07-31-2001 07:25 AM
I have to agree with Rocket. If it's funny, let it be. If it's not, shut your mouth until you can think of something funny to say. |
Case B Monkey
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posted 07-31-2001 09:05 AM
I know why you're mad. But I've been getting 'all crazy' off of that 'wacky' Red Bull, so between that and the paint chips I've been downing for the last couple of days, you'll have to excuse me for acting like a total idiot. But its ok, I'll shut my mouth when appropriate. You may observe by my deletion of a certain post. And I only do that when I realize I'm being too self-indulgent, and not very funny, which is rarely. |
FatJohnny ZooKeeper
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posted 07-31-2001 09:08 AM
That wasn't directed at you, good sir.Red Bull. It's the devil's work I tells ya'. |
Tostito ZooKeeper
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posted 07-31-2001 09:08 AM
You're rarely self indulgent and unfunny, or you rarely notice? I'm betting slabs of cash on notice. |
laz Monkey
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posted 07-31-2001 09:54 AM
The programme makers justified this particular episode by claiming that it was satirising the mass medias treatment of paedophiles and the hysteria caused by the media due to this. They wanted to cause controversy so that people would debate it.Unfortunately the only debate they have actually started is about censorship. And I don't see the point of creating controversy for controversies sake. Oh and I notice Case B is being a tad over sensitive once again. The world does not revolve around you dear. |
Case B Monkey
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posted 07-31-2001 10:48 AM
Shut up, yes it does. Solipsism is the only stable belief system in this world. |
manic_224 ZooKeeper
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posted 07-31-2001 02:54 PM
It was in the newspaper too today, saying that a copy of the programme was being passed around sex offenders in prison who were using it for gratification. |
Nick Zbu ZooKeeper
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posted 07-31-2001 04:23 PM
This is all madness. The only reason this is getting press is because the human race can't deal with certain subjects except to put a taboo on them and hope they go away. It's an extremely stupid trick because at it's core it's a cheap way to avoid thinking.Throwing a blanket over this pedophila thing won't make it go away. In fact, I'm willing to say that more people aren't complaining about the show itself but rather to vent their own anger over the whole issue. Censorship? Yeah, right. It's the unfocused outcry of people who have opinions but won't say them for fear of the results. In short, you can never go too far with humor. You only hit the wall that the human race calls Taboo, which are just issues nobody wants to deal with because it requires being open, laying your beliefs, and not being sorry for feeling the way you feel. As for all this public outrage: just more sensationalism. Take it seriously and the world must be a very dark and loud place for you. |
Nick Zbu ZooKeeper
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posted 07-31-2001 04:23 PM
This is all madness. The only reason this is getting press is because the human race can't deal with certain subjects except to put a taboo on them and hope they go away. It's an extremely stupid trick because at it's core it's a cheap way to avoid thinking.Throwing a blanket over this pedophila thing won't make it go away. In fact, I'm willing to say that more people aren't complaining about the show itself but rather to vent their own anger over the whole issue. Censorship? Yeah, right. It's the unfocused outcry of people who have opinions but won't say them for fear of the results. In short, you can never go too far with humor. You only hit the wall that the human race calls Taboo, which are just issues nobody wants to deal with because it requires being open, laying your beliefs, and not being sorry for feeling the way you feel. As for all this public outrage: just more sensationalism. Take it seriously and the world must be a very dark and loud place for you. |
FatJohnny ZooKeeper
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posted 08-01-2001 06:07 AM
1! 2! 2 posts! Ah, ah, aahhh! |
laz Monkey
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posted 08-01-2001 09:38 AM
We should censor him. |
Nick Zbu ZooKeeper
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posted 08-02-2001 02:25 AM
Censor me and I'll write that twice on the ass of a 700-pound nudist and parade it around the forums and make it kiss Rocket.  |
FatJohnny ZooKeeper
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posted 08-02-2001 06:22 AM
That could be interesting... |
catapault007 Monkey
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posted 08-02-2001 08:27 AM
Nick, male or female nudist? I saw the movie Seven and have to draw the line at extremely obese nude men. |
Nick Zbu ZooKeeper
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posted 08-02-2001 10:24 PM
That will be the decision of my brand new coin. |
Withnail Monkey
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posted 08-04-2001 02:34 AM
I feel like writing to C4 and applauding them for showing it. Personally I feel like complaining when I see how most newspapers and television programmes deal with the issue by exploiting paedophilia to sell their product to the morons of this country (news of the world anyone?). |
Withnail Monkey
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posted 08-04-2001 03:51 AM
You have to laugh really; I've just been talking with a friend of mine about this and he pointed out that in the Daily Star there is an article attacking Channel 4 as "out of touch" and Chris Morris as a "sick pervert". On the same page is an unrelated 'article' (for want of a better word) entitled "she's a big girl now", and is basically a picture of 15 year old singer Charlotte Church's breasts. they have even used the line "chest swell" in the drool they've put underneath.I'm actually angry that people can even dare to complain about Brass Eye. | |